hrm..

[transomwhiplass]

i dont have enough energy for a long update so here is my day in short:

-All A's except 1 B (88) in latin.. pretty good i think
-Fucked up a vocab quiz.. i feel soooo stupid
-Got called "the photoshop master" in journalism.. however, kept from studying latin
-my eye hurts
-i got one question today in AC... i should have know when he said the "artist of the Roswell theme song" which I totally couldn't remember what it was.. but after he said "No Angel" i totally knew.... oh... and I second guessed myself.... DUMBASS
-filled out tedious and prying survey for the yearbook, and i ask.... WTF are they going to use that shit for... I might have filled out everything in full except we had to put our names at the top..... UGH.... I was sort of offended by some of the questions... it was such a shot to my ego... I felt remarkably uncool... which is true...but I didn't feel like dwelling on another low point of my life today:

how many times do you shave your legs a week during the school year? 17?
what is the most recent concert you went to? the band concert
abercrombie & fitch vs american eagle? NO
diet coke vs diet pepsi? GROSS
UT vs AM? NO

what the hell were they thinking.... ughhhh its like..... UGH..... its soo stereotypical girl... its like.... the girls I *usually* (1 exception) really really really really hate... I am not a Go Texan, I hate clothing places that make you pay to be their advertisement, sorry... I don't go to concerts.. I sort of have no life.. thanks for reminding me, diet soda tastes like spit and pixi sticks in my opinion.... since i dont want to be hypocritical.. here would be my suggested better range of answer questions:

how many times a week to duchesne girls shave their legs, in your opinion? (LOL.. if i havent told you this story yet... remind me)
what kind of music do you like?
clothing labels vs generic ( I do shop gap... I don't wear logos though)
COKE vs PEPSI or DIET vs REGULAR?
Ivy league vs uh.. non-ivy league

yeahh.. so anyway.. i have to go get to that english paper.. UGH... im dead... I hate english already... fuckaduckaluckafuckfuckfuck

hm... peter is being the holy hand grenade.. yesssshhhhhhh...... well... thank you peter... for telling me what i believe... its ever so comforting to know someone is making these decisions because I am too stupid to think for myself..

my sum up for religion:

catholicism and christianity hasnt lived up to my expectations... the thought of god does not comfort me in any way.... i really dont believe in it.... i find that comfort in myself... and sometimes my parents... i cant rely on god for anything: god ...please help me pass, no doesnt work - i have to study...., ok, so god.... please give me the strength to get through my day, fuck that... everyday still sucks... people are still awful to eachother... IM BESTOWED NOTHING.... ok... so i am a heathen right... seek comfort christians that I am "going to hell".... uhm.. k... religion doesnt make sense to me... i see it as a bunch of people running around like chickens with their head cut off... they have thoughts instilled at an early age and really have no choice whether to believe them or not.... so how did i become like this? it built up.. before the age of 7.. i was to scared to think an anti-god thought for fear of being shot down by his power or something... but in 3rd grade... they told me: you must love god more than your parents and everything else in the world... i realized that i really didnt love god.... it was an annoyance... i loved my parents.... they have done so much for me... but god? not really.... i knew that i had always loved other things more.... and so far... i had not been struck down.... so... uh... yeah... right..... ok... so lookie.. there is my anti religion post... feel free to argue with me if you really care... but tell me what he has done for you lately... im really interested..... ::shrug:: ... k... paper now.... BYE

Comments

okay...

[starryj.livejournal.com]

DO NOT JUDGE YOUR WORTH FROM A STUPID PIECE OF PAPER DISTRIBUTED BY A BUNCH OF DUMBFUCKS (no offense to yearbook people)! it really does NOT matter whether you drink diet coke or wear labels...let's have some self esteem now, huh? =)

i totally didn't answer those questions, either.

how many times do you shave your legs a week during the school year? less than once
what is the most recent concert you went to? androgen/inner vision (local bands...see? doesn't matter; i had fun)
abercrombie & fitch vs american eagle? NONE--VINTAGE!
diet coke vs diet pepsi? NO
UT vs AM? NO

those were my answers. so...seriously, don't worry about it so much! poor thing...heeeey, tell me about this duchesne shaving legs thing!!

and doubting christianity is, i think, a part of everyone's life. mine too...never so far as not believing in God, but as far as thinking catholicism is crap...and wanting to be another religion. right now, i'm kind of a catholic-by-routine. i'm not into it anymore, but i do feel that God is there. that's just my opinion. you're entitled to yours, and no one thinks you're going to hell.

be happy. i hear tallman pulls grades out of her ass, lol...you'll get like 3 60s on tests and stuff but have like a 90 on your report card just because. no worries.

joyce

Re: okay...

[peter00.livejournal.com]

..But I truly do believe sh'es headed for Hell. Not that its unavoidable, but the course shes taken leads straight to hell.
Anyways, I truly believe that salvation is found in the Catholic Church. Not that you can't recieve it elsewhere, but why try to get to heaven through a harder course? I'm happy in Catholicism. I have the sacrament, the saints, and truth.
I'm very sorry that you don't want to be Catholic, I really am. But nobody will force you. To be a Catholic by motion is an insult to God. If you think Catholicism is crap, please stop recieving communion, because the most insulting thing to me is a person who does something because its just what they do. And then they do it with no real faith behind it.

I read in the apparitions of Jesus Christ to St. Faustina(which you probably don't believe, but its your own choice) two very important things:
First, that Jesus is greatly insulted by people who have the nerve to recieve his body out of custom, and he explicitly said he would rather they not recieve him at all. I agree with this so much, that I sincerly hope you stop going to communion.
And secondly, most of the people in Hell are those that thought there was no Hell.

[peter00.livejournal.com]

You should God do a damn thing for you if you don't believe in him, and are anti-religious?
I bet you don't expect a single prayer of yours to come true.
I have asked God thousands of times for help(especially on tests). And I've always recieved it. And whenever I was able to answer a question or somehow become inspired to be insightful, i said, "thank you God". Every time. And whenever I do bad on a test, I say oh well. It was my own fault for not studying.
Think of a person. What kinda persons gonna help someone who is only interested in abusing them? If I were God I'd have an "ignore" pile for people like you.
By the way, when was the last time you really prayed? You don't expect God to do a thing for you, and thats your fault, not his.
You basically called me a "chicken with head cut off". But I will always be a happier person than you. How often do you mean truly happy and joyful, like life is worth something? If everday is bad for you, its your own damn fault. Besides, I have absolutely no sympathy for you whatsoever. Complain, complain, complain. I have things I could complain about, but I don't. Starving people have things to complain about, but they don't. You are truly one of the most self centered people I've ever had to deal with. Grow up!
Since I have started to pray regularly and really, really pray, I have never been so happy in my entire life. For 3 months I haven't felt depressed. When I pray, I am at an unimaginable level of happiness, and totally at peace. When I have a bad day, I pray, and I feel better. Really better. I just forget about my responsibilities and the day and pray. Its basically an escape, and its very effective. And thats the greatest thing that God has ever done for me.
Like you said, you don't love God, he is just an annoyance. You may have not been stricken down, but maybe its coming (the idea is that God doesn't condemn a person to Hell. A person condemns themself to Hell). Pray that God will have mercy on your soul, because I truly see a person who is traveling towards Hell.

lol.. not at you!

[sammehtosh.livejournal.com]

thats pretty much the response I expected out of you peter.. I am really no shocked or stunned by your answer.. I know I probably seem really horrible to you..

first things first: bad example with what god "hasn't done for me".. those were stupid and typical.. but even when I was a saintly child.. church was something I did... I always had a passive relationship with the church

I am not an anti-religion person.. I'm sorry I offended you on my opinions of beheaded chickens and such... I didn't mean to...

I will say that you are right about how all atheists cling to one belief in god... its true.. I'll tell you what I believe.. I believe that some people, that I know and love, need to believe in god.. like my mom who told me that she never needed to believe in god more, than when her mom died.. and I believe her.. and in reflecion...er .. future reflection.. what would that be called? I think that I may need to find a god or something.. just to deal with stuff.. actually, I think that you are lucky peter, that you have found something that you can believe so much and it can give you comfort and everything... you are much more mature person to accept this.. I believe that... I may be fooling myself.. not letting myself believe in god or something.. but you are right.. you really are.. about that atheism and one thing.. yesterday I thought you were really wrong.. but I am considering it now.. there is one other thing that I hold with the church.. I decided it was wrong to accept communion for something I couldn't believe in.. my parents used to make me.. but well... I don't.. because I do understand what it means to accept it... so I don't because I don't..

in conclusion: im really sorry I offended you peter.. I actually was sort of trying to provoke you because I was really interested in what you would say if I talked about it.. so.. I may have kind of stretched some of the stuff.. a little.. not really... but sort of.. so.. uhm.. don't come at me with a crucifix and holy water.. I will say.. that I am not totally denying god at this time.. as unholy as it is.. I am on sort of a hiatus.. I realize how much disrespect it is to do the sacred rituals and everything without believing in the purpose.. so i think.. till I can really respect god.. it may not be the best thing for me to be at church pretending? does that make sense? yeah.. so thats pretty much what i have to say..

Re: lol.. not at you!

[peter00.livejournal.com]

I don't think you're a horrible person. I feel sorry for you actually. Not just you. You and so many other people...I think its so sad I actually want to cry..
I mean, I didn't write all that I did because I just wanted to argue. I guess I wrote it in an attempt to point out exactly what was wrong, and sincerly hope that you would take it and use it; not hate me for pointing things out that I didn't like.
You say you've always had a passive relationship with the Church. But, you don't have to have such a relationship. You can open yourself up to this Church and see exactly what is in it. You say I am lucky to have found something that gives me so much comfort. I'm lucky because I saw the opportunity and I grabbed at it, never to let go. Prayer isn't something that works for just the few "chosen" by God to feel something so wonderful. Its there for everyone. But what is prayer? I bunch of words? No. Prayer is a great experience for me. Why? Because when I pray, I seriously consider the words I've learned. When I pray the rosary, I concentrate on the point of having the rosary. I concentrate on the life of Christ. On each mystery, I seriously think about it, and I recieve a great amout of joy from what I feel. When I pray the chaplet of divine mercy, I think about the suffering and death of Christ for our redemption, the ultimate act of love. and I consider his vast and infinite amount of love and mercy. I consider the inspirational words he told St. Faustina. When I think of communion, I truly believe that it s the body of Christ, and I recieve it. And then, I'm totally happy for hours at a time. The most important thing is to pray; without prayer one cannot claim to be religious. Those that genuinely pray cannot claim not to be religious.
I know what you mean about not pretending at Church. Its hypocritical. I am so sure that spirituality will eventually lead a person to the Church, because I consider it truth.
Whenever I heard a person promise to pray for another person, I never really believed they did it, it was just an expression. But, I've ended up praying for people myself. Even people I don't know. There a several people that I know, that I pray for so much. I see in them a high level of dispair I guess. I pray that God will help them, that they will be opened to God. I have so many friends, including you, that just seem so lost, so alone. you can tell they are depressed, and for that reason they cut themselves off from God. But why? If they would only open up to God, their depression would instantly disappear. In fact, if one wants to get over depression without medicine, prayer and spirituality is the most efficient(ive never really considered that before, actually). anyways, I don't know whether they are or not(opened up, I mean), but God has never closed himself off from a person without them acting first. Actually, thats a major reason for the increase concentration in religious entries. I hope that my words will reach someone, and they will try it out and find something they've never even dreamed of. And then I would feel successful.
You're seaching for a god, and I pray you find something you can hold onto, even if it isn't Catholicism, or Christianity, or monothiestic for that matter. I believe you need to find something, and quickly. But still, you go to St. Agnes. The answer could be right under your nose, you just haven't realized it yet.
And I'm sorry for some of the things I wrote(especially the "ignore pile" thingy for prayers for those who aren't really interested in God)

Judge not lest ye be judged

[birdinablender.livejournal.com]

How can you call your self a Catholic and then tell Joyce she's headed for hell? Who are you to judge her morals? That's being hypocrytical, and you have no right place her in hell.
No one in the world has any physical proof that there is a God. Notice how the 10 commandments, the cross Jesus was hung on, and the ark have all dissapeared. Also, there is only one non- Catholic reference to Jesus, so no one really knows is he exists either.

I'm not saying you're stupid to be Catholic, the way I feel is that EVERYONE has a choice with religion, and worships one god. There is no such thing as the 'right' religion, they are all right, whether you're Catholic or Agnostic. What I mean is that Buddist, Hindu, Catholic, whatever has the same God.

Another thing: You said three things wrong in you're original posts:

"I don't complain"
I pray when I want to pass a test which is asking for something, when it says in the bible that you're not supposed to ask god for help with material things.
God has an ignore pile for people like you. God does not ignore anyone's prayers.

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[peter00.livejournal.com]

How dare you call me hypocritical?!!
I warned her. Actually, I warned Sammeh. And you should be warned to. Your utter rejection of God is disgusting; especially if the point is to rebel against your family (especially father).
You want physical proof? Look at the hundreds of non-decomposing bodies of the holiest saints. See the miracles that so many people have witnessed. Or, is it merely an illusion? Maybe these miracles were simply an illusion. But then, explain how people knew, they knew, exactly when they were gonna happen, and they expected it???! And, how does a piece of simple bread turn into a physical heart, and at the instant on consecration??! Is that a coincidence(and can it even be explained?? And how did it last for 1300 years to be examined in our own times??).
I certainly have the ability to judge ones morals. The Church does it, and I repeat.
There is only ONE real religion. ONE. Religions cannot contridict each other and still be "right", thats logically ridiculous. Busddist, Hindu, and all eastern religions, DONOT HAVE THE SAME GOD. Only the Christians, Muslims, and Jews believe in God, that is, our God.
I certainly do not complain. Or, give me examples, of recent times in which I have complained. I mean, seriously complained.
I here you constantly complain, mostly about your family. complain complain"ooh, i have a terrible father". Once again, I have no sympathy. I can give you examples of things my father did to me that are (not could be, are) considered child abuse, and I love him more for it(who else instilled such discipline and taught me how to behave, how to be moral). You have no right to complain about your family.

You pathetic fool! You say there is no physical proof of God, when everything physical is proof enough. Not to mention, there are the examples I made.

Don't take the bible so damn literally. I ask for intervention of God, and of the saints. The bible is warning those that expect it and then are disapointed for not recieving it. what happened to, "ask, and you shall recieve?".
I said, If I were God. Not that God does. You see, God would be above doing somehting like that.

finally, how are you to teach me about morals and religion? You've rejected God and his Church. You are a pitiful person. You are headed for Hell. I've believed that since I heard you say you were an athiest. and that you hate god, etc. Believe it or not, I pray for you. You will change if you want to go to Heaven.

You need proof that God exists, and you don't believe in Christ, but how is 2 billion people duped into believing him?

You are so closed minded that you've ignored everything right in front of you. I hate to preach(not really) but you WILL

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[starryj.livejournal.com]

"You pathetic fool! "

PETER, that is completely uncalled for. what was it? do unto others as you would have done unto you. how would you like someone obstructing your beliefs, declaring you were wrong, and sending you straight to hell, saying they had the right to judge anyone when they certainly don't! only one person has the right to judge, and that is God. not even the catholic church judges, so how would you have the right to judge? they USED to judge. then again, they also used to burn people at the stake. the church has made some mistakes. that is AWFUL, peter, and speaking as a catholic, and i don't care what you say about my catholicism-- i doubt the CHURCH, i do not doubt God, i say that resorting to name calling is just awful. there's no other word i can think of, i am completely and utterly stunned by this! i know you're a good person, and i know you mean well, but this is not the way to go about it. go about it the way Jesus did--by example. show that you are kind and caring, and compassionate. Jesus was even sympathetic to the sinners and the nonbelievers. what was the last thing he said before he died on the cross? "forgive them, they know not what they do." even they are forgiven, peter, and they don't believe. don't judge. please.

joyce

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[peter00.livejournal.com]

as I just pointed out, i din't send anyone to hell, i can't.

I have the right to use the Church's teaching and form an opinion. And so I have. Look in the bible. It seems pretty evident that a minority go to heaven, whether thats true or not i don't know. just as the church has never "sent" someone to hell, niether do i.

the point is that i have beliefs, but athiests do not. athiests that have turned from god greatly injure him.

but, how can you doubt the church, the Church that Christ founded, and still consider yourself catholic? i don't know if you said this, but you say "my catholicism".
the fact is, shes closed her mind off to so much evidence. real evidence, and that is foolish. the word pathetic has something to do with needing pity(i thought...), and she certainly does need pity.

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[birdinablender.livejournal.com]

You are so stupid.
I don't know if you realize thiz, and I didn't want to tell you, but you're beloved Catholicism contradicts itself many, many, times, so how do you know which side to take?
I.E., Praticing homosexuality is wrong, because it doesn't tie in with procreation. But, accoridng to a speech the pope made in 1998, adopting someone is a form of procreation. If a homosexual couple adopts someone, they are still disbanded from the church.
And no, unless you are a preist or are ordained in any way, you DO NOT have the right to judge her morals.
But What I mean by physical proof, have you actually seen him? Have you ever seen Jesus, or a saint, or a miracle? NO you haven't. These things are physical proof. You cannot say that just because you believe this, it's true, because that is faith, and YOU are being close minded in saying that there is only one religion. How do you know? Has god physically appeared in front of you and said, "Peter, there is one religion and you must follow it." When you look at it, Catholicism is a product of Judiasim.

You say child abuse instill discipline. Getting drunk and beating someone up for it isn't discipline, so don't tell me I should love him more for it. As for you're complaining, YOU DO IT EVERYDAY! In your livejournal, and in real life. But that's not something to be ashamed of, because everyone complains.

I don't care about you're religion, or the fact that you pray for me. But don't call me close-minded for not being Catholic, because that's just insulting

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[peter00.livejournal.com]

Ok, give me an example of this so called contridiction?
Uh, i don't understnad what you mean by this homosexuality thing. homosexuality is wrong. if adopting someone is procreation, and so homosexuals can't procreate, than how is it contridictory?
the point, by the way, was to show why homosexuals shouldnt adopt. its not a normal family. i certainly wouldnt want to moms or dads.
anyways, wanna picture? because i would be more than happy to show a nice little picture of a white blob with human form over a church. i don't need to see miracles, ive already heard about them. the tesimony of thousands and thousands is enough. i remember that thomas poked his fingers through jesus christs wounds because he doubted he was ressurected. then jesus blessed those who would believe without seeing, but through faith...
its very sad that you have to see something with your own eyes to believe it. have you been to asia? how do you know it exists? how do you know pluto exists, have you seen that? actually, how do you know 6 billion people exist, that you haven't met, and how do you know the suffering of millions isn't some kind of fiction?
so Catholicism is from Judaism. whats wrong with that? i could have told you, and i dont know what your getting at.

i didn't say child abuse instilled discipline. but, to be punished justly does. i don't know anything about you and your dad, although i find what you say incredibly hard to believe. the point, by the way, was to show to you that other people have things they don't complain about. take people in the 3rd world who are suffering, and that should be enough.

and, you haven't given me an example of complaining. i mean, a real example. where i really was complaining, not just playing around.

"i don't care"
i'm not surprised.

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[peter00.livejournal.com]

damn, i'm not done(mistake)...
You are so closed minded that you've ignored everything right in front of you. I hate to preach(not really) but you WILL repent if you want to enter heaven. If you die so separated from God, I won't feel sorry for you. I've done everything I can. I've prayed and prayed, and now i think i'll pray even more. It would be extremely sad, extremely sad. In the end though, its your choice.
you have such little faith, its very disappointing. you are so very confused. how often are you sad? i wonder...

you probably don't believe in hell either(ha1 of course not, you don't believe in god) but like i said, most people in hell thought it didn't exist. hell is a terrible, terrible, destination. read this, maybe it'll help you..
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm
I'm so very afraid of Hell. It would be a terrible place for me. I pray for forgivness, because I don't want to go to purgatory either.
anyways, the urgency is because the world wil eventually end, and it would be terrible if you were caught unprepared. it would be just as terrible to die unprepared as well.
things that ive heard about several accepted Catholic teachings show that the end of the world may posibly end within at least the lives of our children(if not earlier). look around you. when has there been so much evil? when has there been so much doubt? when have the saints and jesus appeared with a greater frequency? you were extremely lucky to have been born in a catholic family. but, you've refused that great luck and turned from god. so, may God have mercy on your soul.

PS
once again, i'm not writing this cuz i hate you. i'm warning you. but if you won't accept warnings, its your own choice..

st. agustine once said, my heart is restless until it rests in you.
very true.

and someone else reasoned this:
if there is an afterlife and i don't believe in god, i can end up in hell.
if there isn't an afterlife but i did believe in god, it won't matter.
if there is an afterlife and i did believe in god, i will spend eternity in bliss.

logical, huh?

you wouldn't believe the amount of stuff you could learn on the interenet. i've listed hundreds of websites, trying to get someone(especially you) to pay attention.

...

[starryj.livejournal.com]

honestly, this was not what i expected from you, peter, so i'm kind of in shock. everyone else expected it, though. you wanna know what i think? i think i believe in God who is KIND and JUST, meaning he doesn't shoot people straight to hell for not believing or for doubting. he made us human, and being human means making mistakes, for which he is eager for us to be repentant of and for him to forgive wholeheartedly. what i think is that when we die, we choose either God or No God and that determines it. hell is a place without hope, and without God. i will never doubt the existence of a Creator God who is loving and kind, while you seem to believe strongly in the old testament God of wrath and brimstone. i believe in the new testament aspect of God, of the joy and kindness, love and forgiveness extended to everyone, ESPECIALLY SINNERS. don't presume to think that just because you're an avid catholic, you haven't sinned. you have. and in some cases, condemning me to hell isn't such a catholic way to go, really. i have nothing more to say. how bout don't judge people? it isn't nice, and i'm pretty sure there are a few things in the Bible about not judging others, for God does the judging and will judge you accordingly...

please don't speak for God. honestly, i still talk to him in prayer, and what i feel about God is quite different from what you're saying. peace, love, etc. no offense meant, i'm just voicing my opinion.

joyce

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[peter00.livejournal.com]

Wow, I'm really sorry. If I implied that you were heading for hell, it was purely a mistake. I said that its insulting for someone who isn't catholic to go through the motions of a catholic. If you don't have catholic beliefs, then pretending you are catholic is insulting to me as a devout catholic who follows catholic teaching. I read my entry, and i NEVER said anything that in any way made a comparision between you and hell. i said you are insulting my beliefs by pretending to be catholic, and i stoped there.
neither have i implied that i don't sin. and i haven't implied that i am perfect, or make relatively few mistakes(because i'm really good at sinning.).
Secondly, people choose to go to hell. God doesn't choose, he simply lets them cut themselves off from him. And thats it.

I agree with you. I odn't mean to say that God is all angry, because he's loving and merciful, and as you said, just. If you consider it, nobody deserves to go to Heaven. The fact that he lets us shows we aren't justly punished because its something we'll never really deserve. But, when we are sent to hell for all of eternity, it will be just, and there will be no arguing against it.
you say that when we die we choose god or no god. but then, what the hell are we doing on earth? this is the period in which we choose god or don't choose him. there are several ways to choose him, i think. you can be kind and do the work of god without ever knowing him(although he is in you, you don't realize it). you can worship him, which will automatically oblige you to be a good person to live your faith. i prefer the second. the more i can do that leads to heaven, the better. id rather not take a single chance, because hell is eternity, and its a very fearful place, which i don't want to end up in.
I'd also like to say(if i didn't already), that i never condemned a person to hell. i don't have that kind of power(nor do i want it, id be irresponsible). what i did was warn. i warned them of the path they've taken....

secondly, people who are born christian have an even greater obligation to believe in god. we have been taught to believe in jesus christ already. he died for us; and so what if those that stop believing in him have already turned from god?

in the novena of divine mercy, on the last day you say...
today bring to me to souls of the lukewarm...these souls wound my heart most painfully...my souls uffered the most dreadful loathing in garden of olives because of these. for them, the last hope of salvation is to flee to my mercy.
Those that have lost there faith are so close to a cliff.
as a matter of fact, my increase in religious entries are for people like them.

you have a right to believe in god the way you wish. but, you shouldn't be recieving communion if you aren't catholic.

Re: Judge not lest ye be judged

[birdinablender.livejournal.com]

No, I will NOT repent, because I believe in god, just not in the CAtholic church. I believe in Heaven and Hell, but I don't think you have to be Cristian to go to either. As for my explanation about all religions are correct, what I mean is that Everyone worships god in their own way, and no one has the right to say the other one's way is correct.

[superspazmizu.livejournal.com]

[(Anonymous)]

Woo. Kudos on the SAT word - many brownie points for you.

I just wanted to express my thoughts on your post... basically, "You can call him a Catholic? But Catholics are supposed to question their beliefs. They're not supposed to judge people and tell them they're going to Hell. They're not supposed to insult people. They're not supposed to seem domineering. They're not even supposed to think that their religion is logical - all religions are based on beliefs. Peter hasn't even realized that. It's a belief, not necessarily an absolute truth. He hasn't even allowed for the idea that there might be something wrong with what he's doing. I think Peter's a nice guy and all, but he's apparently got some issues to work out. You can call him a Catholic? I think that's a stretch."

Hope things turn out well,
--J

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[peter00.livejournal.com]

"Why are you so bent on trying to proselytize"..
i'm gonna just write an entry concerning this and other things.


you don't believe in god, etc. thats no religion. you were born catholic, and youve turned from it. why.

are you really happy? or are you just preoccupied.

i wont pretend to not be a christian. not only would that be impossible, but i really odn't want to. if you won't accept my help, than you won't be able to accept me. me and my religion come together and can't be separated.

anyways, i don't blame him for nothing thinking your good enough(sorry if its insulting). at least he went out with you in the first place. i would never go so far as to date an athiest(or maybe i'll only date catholics).

anyways, i'm nice and secure with my beliefs. i already know that i'm right, and i will once again explain why soon.

[dragondelhielo.livejournal.com]

I hadn't thought to butt in on this, but now I'm going to. You're out of line, Peter. So she's atheist. So what? Scripture says to warn them of their sins and to repent. You've done your duty as a Catholic more than is needed. So just forget it. Just because you think they may go to Hell doesn't mean that you will. Then again, maybe you will. Hell, we all might. That doesn't keep me from supporting them in this.

They are your friends. Just because they aren't so terribly religious as you are doesn't make them bad or evil. Faith is personal. You can't force someone to embrace God as their own. You can try, and we have. So leave it alone. I don't want to see you all hate each other over this issue. I'm not the best Catholic, either, Peter. Does that mean I'm going to go to Hell? So be it. If Heaven is full of people who act like you do all the time, so be it. I'd be happier in eternal torment than in Paradise if it were populated with those like you anyway.

[superspazmizu.livejournal.com]

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[peter00.livejournal.com]

the fact that she's my friend should show why I won't give up. Even if, in the end, I accomplished nothing, I tried. Trying may not mean anything in our world, but it is acceptable in the next. I will never give up.
I never said they were going to hell. I said, they were headed for hell. I made an effort not to say anyone was going there, because there is a difference. Going there seems more condemning. Being headed there makes it seem like turning around is possible(which it is). All I do is warn them. I don't know how a person can go to Hell or not. But I know what can help keep a person from hell. Its my fear of ending up in hell, or having people i know end up in hell, which keeps me from gving up.

They aren't just not very religious; some of them are not religious at all. Mary and Stephanie both appear to not be religious. I say that because I know my own experiences with them.
Religion is one of those things that can lead to heaven. Spirituality can lead to salvation.

And I know your exagerating, but don't say you'd be happier there. The point I'm tryng to make is that you will never be happy, and I'd rather my friends not end up there.

[peter00.livejournal.com]

by the way, the author is Dido. and the song is Here with me...
Its my favorite song. funny..

What has God done for me lately....

[alex-x-x.livejournal.com]

I can say many things about that...but I'll get to one story that stands out..

Sophomore year, I was all anti-social...and I was all depressed because I had no friends...It was really bad because every time something bad happens, I could not turn to anyone to cry to. Eventually, I started turning to God to cry to. I started praying to God for comfort. I had a conversion...I could write like a 500 page paper on that only..so I'll just leave it at that..I prayed to God and asked for friends to come into my life...

the very next day, I had a feeling to find Keith at lunch..He introduced me to Peter, Amara, Steph, and Yeli. That was the first day that I met them...the day after I prayed for friends...eventually, meeting them grew and I met you all at saa.

So, I prayed to God for friends, and I got lots of REALLY GOOD friends..no I didn't get my friends in the happiest of ways...in fact that whole me liking mizu thing was pretty depressing..but I got lots of good friends nonetheless. If you look at my lj, I even mentioned that you all are my first real good friends that I can count on and trust in and all..

When you pray for happiness, I find that the happiness isn't granted to you through something, or some event..I find that if you pray for happiness, the happiness comes from your own faith in believing that you will be granted Happiness..so, a quick way to sum this up:

"Believe in yourself, everything else is optional."

i'm starting a new comment...

[starryj.livejournal.com]

because that old one's getting too cluttered. all i have to say now is...i am really upset and really troubled by all this. simply because...well, peter, what makes you so sure that catholicism is "the one"? the right one? HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE IS A RIGHT ONE? what if we're all wrong? what do we do then? we can't do anything. all we can do is believe what we think is best, and i believe in God. and in catholicism in my own way. just because i'm not a rigid catholic doesn't make me a noncatholic. just because i doubt parts of what catholicism says doesn't mean i don't deserve the body and blood of christ. actually, i don't, but you don't either. "Lord, i am NOT WORTHY to receive you, but only say the word and i shall be healed." i believe in transubstantiation. i believe Jesus is truly present in the body and blood. so you're telling me i don't deserve to receive eucharist...seriously, i'm so angry right now.

honestly, what i should do now is just drop it and not look at this post again, because i believe what i believe and no one, not you, can change that. the harder you try, the more stubborn i get. but the reason i don't stay away is because i love to argue. not debate...ARGUE. so realize the only reason i'm even humouring you is purely for my own amusement. eh, i wouldn't say that, i guess. it's defending my beliefs, which happen to be under attack, as well as all my friends' beliefs, too.

i honestly think it was hitting below the belt what you said to mizu. it was wrong, and cruel. i think in your ardent fervor to be a devout catholic, you cross the line. there is nothing in catholicism that says you must marry within your religion. there is nothing that says you have a right to say that one religion is better than another. you're simply hurting your friends now. i'm interested in a guy who is an athiest. i have friends who are athiest. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR CHARACTER! they are good people, still.

what i think we're doing on earth is growing up. living our lives so we can go back to God with everything instilled in us...think what you like, but i believe in God who is kind, and i don't believe he would punish people for not being Catholic. okay. seriously. what if not one of the religions is right? what if God simply wants us to understand His love for us, and we do the rest accordingly? i do what i think is good.

i agree with jon, for the most part.

and...that is all. i feel the need to defend my friends, and i want to let you know that you are hurting a lot of us this way, whether you mean it or not. it does hurt to have someone we thought of as a friend trying to change us, when we thought he liked us for us. so think about that, please.

we still love you, peter, and you're still our friend, but just realize what you're doing. listen to mizu, try and step out of yourself for a second and just look.

joyce

wow...

[sammehtosh.livejournal.com]

that's is pretty much all I can say... this is the 25th comment.. I'm really fascinated at how everyone has come together on this one.. I really wonder who anonymous was, because he/she reminded me of the Catholic belief that we should question our relgion.. I remember that.... if we don't feel secure enough to test our faith.. how can we really TRULY be secure in our religion.. so yeah, peter... I am glad you feel so strong about this.. but you really need to test your faith soome.. without doing so, how are you to discern anything? So that's what I'm drawing from all of this.... and I remember that now.. Catholics believe you should test your religion... I can't believe I forgot that.... it was really the one thing that gave me comfort in my "transformation" years.. I just told myself I was testing my faith... not denying god... I'm not so sure what I believe anymore.... after today with that boy Kenneth, who I am sorry I never knew, really reminded me of my one lasting belief in Catholicism: that some people really really need god in order to get through the world... and for those moments, I do appreciate religion for existing for those people.... and I have to say... just watching the grief today.. it was sort of englightening... but anyway... this religion thing has become quite a battle in the ranks.... and again.. wow

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've found a few problems with what Peter says about the Catholic church... it's very one sided. I made some comments about it in his own journal and he conveniently didn't respond, so I dunno.

And it's me, J! Jon! Jonathan! Catholic and SJ grad of '01.

P.S. You don't necessarily have to know me, but we probably know similar people.

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[sammehtosh.livejournal.com]

lol.. yeah! joyce told me this morning

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[jdvn1.livejournal.com]

Ack! Don't believe anything she said.

--J